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Regarding the torture report

The arguments against torture have been the same since we discovered how to do it. (And I am quite sure that that was before we became fully human. Chimps would totally do it if they had better fingers.)

We have known it to be wrong always. We have done it always. We humans I mean. Perhaps it sometimes leads to useful facts, more often it does not. Calling it enhanced something-or-other is ridiculous. Torture is like art or porn. We know it when we see it. If you are treating somebody in a way that you yourself would not like to be treated, in the hopes of getting them to tell you something, you have to take a hard look at yourself.

Thomas Jefferson was a hypocrite and a coward. He is my least favorite founder. But the man could write, and he said this. "I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just."


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Dec. 14th, 2014 01:18 am (UTC)
Ever it was thus. We don't seem to be advancing much do we?
Dec. 14th, 2014 04:14 am (UTC)
Little steps maybe. Some days I think we make little steps.
Dec. 14th, 2014 04:51 am (UTC)
The little steps should be forward...
Dec. 14th, 2014 09:42 am (UTC)
Some also say: History repeats itself from time to time in some way.
Dec. 14th, 2014 01:30 pm (UTC)
Dec. 14th, 2014 06:17 pm (UTC)
"I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just."

Mine, too.
Dec. 15th, 2014 01:34 am (UTC)
Yes. All over the world we seem to be making the same wicked mistakes over and over. It is certainly not limited to any nation.
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