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Maybe I Am a Grownup Now

Trying to keep my timeline straight in Marlowe and Kyd land.

For the first time in my whole life, I am making a spreadsheet. I am old, guys. I have never done this before.

At this point I have read like 20 non-fics about the people and the historical context, (and religion, and wealth, and spy-sneaks, and dungeons, and theater stuff.)

I have found that looking up Shakespeare makes it easier. There are more S-centric books out there. He may or may not come into my story, but learning about him helps.  He and Marlowe were exactly the same age, came from similar families too. (Dad S made gloves, Dad M made boots. Both ran shops out of home. both had big piles of leather lying everywhere and awls  and  toxic goop for improving leather. both families had little ones not live to grow up, but the fact that kids survived speaks to the awesome power of their baby-proofing.)

Marlowe went to college on scholarship, Shakespeare did not.(Neither did Kyd, who was a little older than the other two.) But still, I figure, the words, the sights, sounds, clothes, frustrations, all quite similar. They even went on to live in the same part of town, at the same time. They were like two bridge and tunnel commuters, working in Manhattan. Even in different office buildings, the experience carries.

Of course I realize that there are dangers in taking it too far. S was married. M was not. M had training in religion and much more Latin, and also Greek.

So, in short, this is fun.

Comments

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kcwarwick
Oct. 3rd, 2012 08:00 pm (UTC)
Yes, I had to make myself a chart when I was writing 'Prove A Villain', whereas normally I don't make any kind of plan whatever. That's the trouble with writing about real people, particularly Marlowe, who keeps getting arrested at the most inconvenient times. And then there's that inconsiderate chap Henslowe, keeping his diary of what plays were on at the Rose, which all has to be worked in. Still, it's fun!
eglantine_br
Oct. 4th, 2012 12:25 am (UTC)
Yes, the sort of movable lifestyle, and the jaunts to the continent, and the jail-time is really confusing.

Right now I am just coming up to the post Hog lane arrest. And this makes a nice bracket with poor Kyd's time in Bridewell, later. (At least that is my plan-- they may go galloping off to some yet unknown direction.
anteros_lmc
Oct. 3rd, 2012 09:24 pm (UTC)
Spreadsheets?! Ooh that is serious!

I'm looking forward to doing some vicarious learning here. I know very little about this period, but I'm sure I'll absorb some of your learning by osmosis by reading your fics :)
eglantine_br
Oct. 3rd, 2012 11:01 pm (UTC)
Super frustrating is what i found. I am using open office, and i was ripping my hair out trying to move things around. Oh well.

I have timelines for about 6 people, who all lived and died and went to jail, and got educated, and wrote things at slightly different times.

One very nice thing though... I was looking up Scadbury, the estate of the Walsingham family. Francis W was, as I understand it, sort of like Elizabeth 1's Dick Cheney. He was wealthy and subtle, and sneaky and smart, and willing to get very dirty to protect her interests. He ran spies. (Probably including our hero.)

And he had a nephew Thomas, (another Thomas,) who may have been Marlowes lover for a while.

So this Scadbury still exists, as a preserve of some sort, and it is the home range of the delightfully named Great Crested Newt. Look him up, he is glorious!
anteros_lmc
Oct. 5th, 2012 09:11 pm (UTC)
Daughter has a lovely book called Jason's Dragon about a boy who encounters dragons and monsters at the bottom of his garden. The dragon might just be a great crested newt and the monsters bear a strange resemblance to vegetables. It's hard to tell :)

Sadly I have never seen one. A great crested newt that is. I don't think you get them in Scotland. Dragons on the other hand...
amaraal
Oct. 4th, 2012 04:53 pm (UTC)
It IS serious. Making spreadsheets seperates the amateurs from the professionals :) Looking forward to your Kyd/Marlowe universe. With so much ambition and determination it will be epic. Go on!
eglantine_br
Oct. 4th, 2012 06:16 pm (UTC)
I certainly have no gift for spread-sheets! Part of me babbling about the 'how' of it all is to keep myself moving forward with the actual work.

I am determined-- but scared too. I have come to love them. And they were real, (not fiction real, but really-real. they loved, and walked around, and in the end they suffered and died. They all seem to have had pretty unpleasant deaths, and by our standards very young.) I know that I am inventing, but I want to do it with respect.)
vespican
Oct. 4th, 2012 10:47 pm (UTC)
Haven't gotten to the point of using spread sheets, but I did end up making a list of all the characters I've created for the Stone Island Sea Stories. Had to, so I could keep them straight. Some are really minor, appear only once or twice, and usually so a more prominent character doesn't have to say, "hey you!" I also imagine that some of those lesser folks might show up again.
Dave
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